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Are you going straight to HELL????
With all the unkindness in the world, with all the greed in the world, with all those people who see bad things happening, SOME simple enough to fix, yet turn their heads the other way....are we sending ourselves straight to hell? Sure we all do things that "the almighty" would frown on, I've done them myself, and even without knowing you, unless you're a nun, I know you've done them yourselves. We call it human nature. So are we going to hell? Are you going to hell?
posted by StU aRt on Nov 06, 2000 04:30PM

Well, I don't think that all bad things should be called human nature.
Really, if you think about it, today's society focuses on such negativity because to focus on the positives is far too dull. It seems that we always need something to be worrying about and be "plagued" by. It's very unfortunate, and I don't think it is the way things have to work. Perhaps this is what we're doing when we are turning our heads the other way, we're off-center.
Of course everyone does things they regret, and things that they know others will regret them doing, but you have to regard these things as not simply human nature, but the fact that everyone makes mistakes and will regret them.
Yet another twist on this would be to remember that what is a mistake to one person is not necessarily a mistake to another.
There are undoubtedly problems that are so simple they could be fixed, and I think that if we perhaps refocused our sights on the positive spin of things, some answers will come our way.
posted by Mia Silverthorne on Nov 06, 2000 07:36PM

I don't believe in hell.
posted by Piper -- on Nov 07, 2000 08:28PM

I do, however, believe that the repercussion of one's wrongdoing- be it lying, laziness, insult, disrespect, aviodance of responsibility, etc.- is a slow, unrelenting torment of the conscience (if a conscience is possessed) and is punishment in and of itself. If you are speaking specifically and exclusively of the afterlife and the shape it will take as a result of one's actions in this life, I will say that I think when I die, my conscience will be one of the things that is lost. All that is negative and mundane will be left behind... not the least of which will be guilt, blame, and judgment.
posted by Piper -- on Nov 07, 2000 08:49PM

I second that.
posted by Mia Silverthorne on Nov 09, 2000 09:24PM

I was there, but they were afraid I was gonna take over and make things really awful down there, so they decided to send me back. I don't recommend it for a vacation destination, though.
posted by Cody Phipps on Jan 16, 2001 09:19PM

"Kill every male child; kill every woman who is not a virgin. Do not kill the young virgins. Keep them for yourselves."

Moses, talking to the officers of the army (Numbers 31:17,18)

posted by sam aritan on May 04, 2001 04:35PM

ahh yes. The inevitable proverbial human nature... used to justify all sorts of minor missteps and horrendus misdeeds. It is one of those undefinable and unassailable things, like "the almighty," that is often invoked simply to either disguise an unpleasant truth or to ease the embarrasment of ignorance. Is it universally disbelieved that one can define his or her own nature? I suppose that if there were concrete proof that one could, then it could no longer be a viable excuse. So we better keep the mysteriousness of human nature, like the mysteriousness of heaven, hell, and the almighty, intact for the time being...
posted by Clint Phipps on May 16, 2001 07:29PM

How do you know what the almighty frowns on. Organised religion has its own agenda.
posted by Benn -- on Jul 23, 2001 11:58PM

I know a certain form of plantlife that's going to hell as soon as its miserable and God forsaken life is over. Amen to that!
posted by Jon Look on Aug 01, 2001 02:22AM

Uh oooooooh.......we're not talkin about good ol' Mary are we???
posted by StU aRt on Aug 02, 2001 04:08PM

The answer to the original question: Yes. :)
posted by Clint Phipps on Aug 06, 2001 10:22AM

Humanity is going to hell, the whole world is. This species should never have come into existance. Then we wouln't have invented hell.
posted by Felix Nasaru on Oct 15, 2002 09:13AM

"I've had enough of your trinket gods, and magic show religion."
Paul, in his letter to the Galatians.
posted by Ever Curious on Oct 15, 2002 08:52PM

the only reason why this world would be going to hell is because people dont have faith, you gatta have faith in mankind. No matter what. SO what if you've been kicked down...its all about all starts off because some boss man didnt get is coffee in the morning, and he is pissed off so he yells at the workers, the workers go home and yell at their spouses, the spouses yell at the children the children yell at the dogs, the dog bites the mail man, and the mail man goes on a killing spree, and the cycle keep going. so the point is... stop the bad karma, and stop the cycle. i know my example was a little extreme but hey it made a point. have faith, be kind and one by one it will change the world, very slowly but surely
posted by Sarah -- on Nov 17, 2002 05:39AM

Karma's cool.
I give out good karma.
posted by Cody Phipps on Nov 18, 2002 04:46PM

i strongly believe in heaven and hell. but i have a different point of view on both of them. i don't believe that when the rapture comes, all that are good will die and all that are bad will stay on earth and live. i believe that heaven is basicly the second world. not where you go when you die. but in this life, when you die here, you're reborn there. but the twist in what i believe is that society and all earth IS hell. that's just what i believe. i dunno what's true and what isn't.
posted by Cean Lakranski on Jun 01, 2003 06:10PM

update: i no longer believe in heaven or hell. i don't really know what i believe anymore.
posted by Cean Lakranski on Jun 17, 2003 02:17PM

i apologize in advance if anyone of you gets offended.

you know, there's alot of proof that the christian belief system and the religious belief system in general is fake. i'm not just talking about evolution. in the bible, jesus goes from age 12 to 30. nothing in between, what about those 18 years.
and plus, just a week ago, a tree branch falls on top of my car. (this is related if you read the whole thing). i'm not talking like a branch like a couple feet big, couple inches around. i'm talking like almost an entire tree size branch, falls smack down on my car. and my car insurance says "it was sent from god. it was god's wrath."... what the hell kinda stuff is that? scholars and prophets have been searching for proof, trying to prove that this guy in the sky is real for 2000 years, and all of a sudden the car insurance company turns into a big church? this is proof right here that car insurance companies will do anything to get out of paying a PENNY for your car. but back on the subject...
going from age 12 to 30 in the bible was no biggy. the thought that god put man down on earth is all out of whack. when scientists proven that the human body is 95% adjacent with the orangitang. we have 95% of the same genetic pattern of an orangitang. plus, scientists have found fossils that prove the theory of evolution to be correct.
i'm not saying that they ARE, but what i'm saying is that there's a very very low possibility that there actually is a higher being.
alot of religious fanatics always asked me "then how was the universe made?" i don't know, i wouldn't know if i was the smartest person on earth. not even scientists can figure that out (for all i know they can't...). everybody has their guesses and beliefs on whether he's real or not. if he is, then let me burn in hell, if he's not, alli can do i tell you "i told you so".
like i said before, he might be there, he might not be. all i'm saying is there's a low chance according to scientific proof that there's a higher being.

posted by Cean Lakranski on Aug 04, 2003 04:33PM

It's called a "Force Majeure Clause," and it's legal, not religious. It has to do with foreseeability, causal relationship, and legal sufficiency. It has nothing to do with proof of a diety or any higher power regardless of the existence of the traditional phrase referring to "Acts of God," rather it deals with the practical aspects of liability in corporate America where you must remeber that the Almighty Dollar is god.
Also, referring to young J.C.'s apparent jump from 12 to 30 years old: a lack of evicence regarding anything is not evidence of the lack of that which is in question.
posted by Clint Phipps on Aug 05, 2003 02:22PM

Cean, I think you might just be (obviously) pissed at the insurance company, and maybe either watched a little too much of kevin smiths dogma.....or maybe not enough.
posted by StU aRt on Aug 06, 2003 09:12AM

hehehe... dogma... that movie rocks... but anyways...
yeah i'm pissed at the car company, but even still, this is a semi-religious topic, so i guess this is where it fits best to say that.
and it's not only the car company i'm pissed at. it's just that there's so much proof that god is is fake, and yet people still believe he's real. not saying it's wrong (well, actually now that i think about it, yeah in a way i guess i'm saying it is) but the proof against him is much more than the proof that he's real.
posted by Cean Lakranski on Aug 06, 2003 04:48PM

I was reading Lord Chesterfield's Letters today, and the following excerpt reminded me of this thread:

"I will advise you ... never to attack whole bodies of any kind; for, besides that all general rules have their exceptions, you unnecessarily make yourself a great number of enemies, by attacking a corps collectively. ... Individuals forgive sometimes; but bodies and societies never do. Many young people think it very genteel and witty to abuse the Clergy; in which they are extremely mistaken; since, in my opinion, parsons are very like other men, and neither the better nor the worse for wearing the black gown."

posted by Zach Beane on Aug 12, 2003 02:30PM

...but then of course all general rules have thier exceptions. Personally, I've never heard of Lord Chesterfield, but I can think of many names associated with attacks on "whole bodies." In my limited experience, attacks on individuals incite far more ill-will than attacks on whole bodies, be the topic political, religious, philosophical, or other, where opponents can very easily and amicably agree to disagree.
posted by Clint Phipps on Aug 13, 2003 04:30PM

On another note, I'm gonna write a book called "Sixteen Days: From Believer to Non-believer." Anyone think it'll be a best-seller?
posted by Clint Phipps on Aug 13, 2003 04:36PM

best seller? maybe, maybe not. it has a better chance of selling since you have a band that's big in certain parts of the country. mainly the eastern seaboarder. alot of known politics and moviestars, rockstars, etc write books, some just a "make-me-rich" scheme, others because they can, everyone has their own reasons. i have something close to a novel. not necessarily going to be published. it's a science-fiction midievil novel basicly, it's pretty kool, it gave me something to do for a while. lasted me 2 years then i got bored with it, it's saved somewhere on my computer.
posted by Cean Lakranski on Aug 18, 2003 01:48PM

but i think it's pretty kool that you're writen a book. i for one would buy it, lol.
posted by Cean Lakranski on Aug 18, 2003 02:10PM

Yeah, I think maybe I won't bother with that title. It was a pretty silly idea to begin with.
posted by Clint Phipps on Aug 18, 2003 02:12PM

i hope i didn't discourage you..... it's not like it would hurt any to give it a shot. you just gotta be sure on what you wanna write about, that's all.
posted by Cean Lakranski on Aug 18, 2003 02:14PM

... I think he was joking, Cean (Sorry if I ruined it, guys)
posted by Josh King on Aug 25, 2003 12:37PM

To go to hell, or not to go to hell...That is the question. Have you seen hell? Have you smelled hell? Does hell smell?
posted by Tim - on Aug 29, 2003 10:55PM

i'm guessing my room is hell... it smells like a plug-it-in then i guess. other than that, i don't think so
posted by Cean Lakranski on Sep 06, 2003 09:45PM

Hell Smells like a college dorm room after a kegger - I bin 'dere.
posted by Cody Phipps on Sep 07, 2003 08:20PM